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Title: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: William_Kriska on July 04, 2011, 06:13:36 PM
In the day-to day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship -- be it JC or Allah, bet it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles -- is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive. If you worship money and things, if they are where you tap real meaning in life, then you will never have enough, never feel you have enough. It's the truth. Worship your body and beauty and sexual allure and you will always feel ugly. And when time and age start showing, you will die a million deaths before they finally grieve you. On one level, we all know this stuff already. It's been codified as myths, proverbs, clich├ęs, epigrams, parables; the skeleton of every great story. The whole trick is keeping the truth up front in daily consciousness.

Worship power, you will end up feeling weak and afraid, and you will need ever more power over others to numb you to your own fear. Worship your intellect, being seen as smart, you will end up feeling stupid, a fraud, always on the verge of being found out. But the insidious thing about these forms of worship is not that they're evil or sinful, it's that they're unconscious. They are default settings.

They're the kind of worship you just gradually slip into, day after day, getting more and more selective about what you see and how you measure value without ever being fully aware that that's what you're doing.

And the so-called real world will not discourage you from operating on your default settings, because the so-called real world of men and money and power hums merrily along in a pool of fear and anger and frustration and craving and worship of self. Our own present culture has harnessed these forces in ways that have yielded extraordinary wealth and comfort and personal freedom. The freedom all to be lords of our tiny skull-sized kingdoms, alone at the center of all creation. This kind of freedom has much to recommend it. But of course there are all different kinds of freedom, and the kind that is most precious you will not hear much talk about much in the great outside world of wanting and achieving and [unintelligible -- sounds like "displayal"]. The really important kind of freedom involves attention and awareness and discipline, and being able truly to care about other people and to sacrifice for them over and over in myriad petty, unsexy ways every day.

That is real freedom. That is being educated, and understanding how to think. The alternative is unconsciousness, the default setting, the rat race, the constant gnawing sense of having had, and lost, some infinite thing.

What do you worship?


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Carbon_14 on July 05, 2011, 12:39:38 PM
You can believe that all you want
doesn't make it one bit true.

Because we are conscious we all
worship something?
That is about the equivolent of saying
because we have genitals we are all
rapists.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Robert_Smith on July 05, 2011, 01:49:18 PM
Hey everyone!

Here's where this loser copy and pasted this from:

http://hackingchristianity.net/2010/03/there-is-no-such-thing-as-not-worshipping.html


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Blooper on July 05, 2011, 01:59:36 PM
Whoever you got that from forgot to include the words "in my opinion".


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Captain_Sarcastic on July 05, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
No, you are mistaken.  There is definitely such a thing as atheism, and I am a living example.  The overwrought and excessively wordy additional details you included after your initial question are the kind of metaphysical masturbation I would expect from a first-year college student.

Edit:  My mistake - apparently your copypasta was intended FOR dimwitted college students, not written BY one of them.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Freddy_Len on July 05, 2011, 02:14:10 PM
Wow. That was incredibly stupid.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Acid_Zebra on July 05, 2011, 02:18:57 PM
Theory of mind failure: "I worship, therefore everyone must worship".


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: TwistedOwl on July 05, 2011, 02:23:43 PM
True that atheism wouldn't be necessary as a label if other people didn't believe in wacky stuff.  

I worship sleep.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Ren on July 05, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
In life there are people that I look up to but that's not the same as worship.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: AndiGravity on July 05, 2011, 02:33:46 PM
Congratulations.  So far, you have found the single most verbose way I have seen anyone come up with to say "I'm an idiot".

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For the record, atheist does not mean "one who does not worship".  It means "one who does not believe in God or gods".

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist?region=us

You may also want to check the definition of "worship".  It does not mean what you seem to think it means.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/worship?region=us

Insomuch as atheism has nothing to do with worship or lack thereof, your diatribe is a non-sequitur.  I do not believe in a deity, therefore I am atheist even if I worship a thousand other things.  However, as you can see, should you care to read the definition of the word "worship", one must not only pay some sort of respect or homage to something, but pay it the level of homage and respect considered appropriate to bestow on a deity.

I do not do this, either, so even if one could be said to be a theist if anything could be found they worshiped, I would still be an atheist.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Green_Alien on July 05, 2011, 02:39:03 PM
That makes no sense.  Atheism exists whether you like it, or not.  Deal with it!


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: OD_ed_on_Brownies on July 05, 2011, 02:46:47 PM
Cite your sources and stop plagiarizing. When you learn to make an effort and do some damn research on your own, then come talk to me. Until then, I cannot take you seriously or as even intellectually worthy of my time. The next time you decide to plagiarize (which I'm sure you will because you obviously can't be bothered to use your brain) at least make sure it's someone who has the definition of "Atheist" correct.

This person is just as intellectually lazy as you are, y'all should get married.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: numbnuts222 on July 05, 2011, 02:49:37 PM
You have a weird definition of worship, one that no one else shares.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Mike_Williams on July 05, 2011, 02:54:41 PM
I don't worship.  I don't plagiarize either.  Why do Theist break the tenants of their faith, to prove their faith.


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Hank_Moore on July 05, 2011, 02:59:52 PM
Nothing.I don't believe in worshiping.The universe created itself somehow.Eventually,we'll find aliens and probably convert to their religion(s).


Title: Re: There is actually no such thing as atheism?
Post by: Tea on July 05, 2011, 03:06:35 PM
I don't worship anything...not even the God and Goddess. Your mistake here is assuming that you know what motivates and drives all people. That is where you fail.